“As many people that I did meet, nothing really helped me…” — Demonic Sweaters Podcast at 17:07
“As many people that I did meet, nothing really helped me get any drum gigs. What ended up happening was I would then see these people on tour and they're like, weren't you a drum tech? And now you're drumming. And I'm like, yeah, that's, this was the goal all along. I just kind of, I lost my way for a few years, but…”