“Being in a band, I'm just going to be in debt my whole…” — Demonic Sweaters Podcast at 11:23
“Being in a band, I'm just going to be in debt my whole life. And it's going to ruin my friendships, which inevitably it did with a few people. So yeah, I had to quit that band dream real quick. So how did you make that transition to get into being a session drummer? And what were your first steps to start making the…”