“After you've built up something and been at it for a few…” — Demonic Sweaters Podcast at 17:51
“After you've built up something and been at it for a few years, you can start to think in this way. And you still have to travel, and you have to spread it around to make a living. But those were very helpful things, getting away from the mistakes of just playing every damn show that came about. So there was a lot of…”