“when I just, when I say total crap, I mean, I consider it…” — Demonic Sweaters Podcast at 26:41
“when I just, when I say total crap, I mean, I consider it total crap, but, but I have an artist friend that would argue that it's all, it's all worthwhile. And I think she's right. It's a, it's all a matter of getting to that place where, Oh, this is, this is cool. I think I'll go with this or, or, or, you know…”