“a fictional character somebody i've made up maybe a…” — Demonic Sweaters Podcast at 29:16
“a fictional character somebody i've made up maybe a criminal i've made up or a famous person and that that's taken me a few places a biblical character maybe and twist that or twist a biblical story around um i've done that uh a couple times but but the most useful was uh writing from the point of view of uh animals…”