“Uh, just going to the library and, and getting some tapes…” — Demonic Sweaters Podcast at 1:27:40
“Uh, just going to the library and, and getting some tapes years ago and, you know, Jon Kabat-Zinn real kind of pop meditation. And, uh, and I still, I still find, you know, his way pretty, pretty great, but, but it was, it was, it was 30, 40 minutes a day. I, I, that stressed me out, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Cause…”