“And, you know, I think that it's hard to imagine New York…” — Cato Audio at 24:20
“And, you know, I think that it's hard to imagine New York getting much better because of the fact that you have special interest groups and a kind of progressive ideology that those two things together make for a pretty hellish brew. But, you know, who knows how Hawaii will evolve. And I think one of the things…”
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