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“I mean even if you don't have it running a single line of…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 1:14:18

“I mean even if you don't have it running a single line of code just be able to be like okay what's this bug or like hey what why we're looking to solve this problem and we're I think we're starting to see or starting to recognize that engineers who have really deep knowledge are so much more”

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