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“I was in the first crop of Red Hat certified engineers. It…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 22:39

“I was in the first crop of Red Hat certified engineers. It was me and four people from IBM. And that was because my boss at the time sent me off to get trained or whatever. But yeah, you end up with this, it was a very interesting arc. And then as the consolidation happened, so everybody sort of...”

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