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“clients and pay your bills. So you don't have to quit your…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 45:43

“clients and pay your bills. So you don't have to quit your job until I find us people who will pay us, but we'll go build automation and we'll build fully automated infrastructure for startups. And so I walked and started a consulting company and we built full, we started building fully automated infrastructure for…”

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