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“And so the argument I was having with him wasn't demanding…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 57:04

“And so the argument I was having with him wasn't demanding his time for free. I was like, homie, do you not see that this is like, this is phenomenally bad for you. Like when you think about just people adopting the software, using it, trusting it, you know, puppet was on the rise and like, here's this lurking time…”

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