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“It's always easier to like find accountability somewhere…” — Pod Save America at 57:46

“It's always easier to like find accountability somewhere else. It is hard like for everyone, anyone to say like have like that lens, you know, but I also think there's work to do. Like there are serious problems and it's not the time to just be moping around in a ditch somewhere. Like there's real work to do. Yeah.…”

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