“thing that he was pushing people to do it. He was not the…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 1:59:02
“thing that he was pushing people to do it. He was not the CEO back then, but he is now. But you know, Microsoft clearly could be number two with his your because internally they're pushing it just as much as externally. So they're, they're going to keep improving it. But someone at Google”
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