“I think they do. And there's a real tension. You know, I…” — The Vergecast at 1:00:45
“I think they do. And there's a real tension. You know, I don't I don't know how far we can hope that they will go or expect them to go because they're kind of in the business of keeping us on our phones. You know, maybe that's more down to the app makers than the people who make the hardware. But I mean, there are…”
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