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“that they have to make some of these changes or else they…” — The Vergecast at 1:02:12

“that they have to make some of these changes or else they risk losing people. I don't think we're there yet. I mean, I know for sure we're not there yet. So we're definitely not at the point of like Apple and Google and Samsung need to be worried about people abandoning their phones in droves. I don't think that's…”

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