“I'm asking the guy on the phone to describe what it is.…” — Hammer and Nails Podcast at 40:56
“I'm asking the guy on the phone to describe what it is. It's like an hour, hour and a half. You go up with a very small group, and they ride you up through the canyons. And when you get to the top of the mountains, on one side, you look over into Malibu in the ocean. On the other side, you can see the whole city and…”
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