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“So even that was hard, right? The way I always said it is…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 55:06

“So even that was hard, right? The way I always said it is there was a lot of soft power being thrown around by some of us, or that's been around for a long time and have respect enough other people to go like, okay, I think we all have this going. What do you all think? And kind of push and force”

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