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“If he's closer to 50, it'll be a much more competitive…” — Pod Save America at 44:30

“If he's closer to 50, it'll be a much more competitive election. And right now he's sitting at 41. Yeah, we all sink or swim together on this one. Yeah, but they never believe that. You know, candidates never believe that. I mean, it does expose politicians for who they are or a lot of them. I mean, it's like, you…”

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