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“Creativity and making stuff. There's a set of decisions…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 44:10

“Creativity and making stuff. There's a set of decisions you've had to make recently that just seem on the ground, in the weeds, about how to manufacture things in the world that we live in today, especially on tariffs. So tariffs are obviously uncertain. They're coming and they're going. You've had a lot of layoffs…”

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