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“And that really blew my mind away. I thought, wow, this is…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 58:08

“And that really blew my mind away. I thought, wow, this is a big, big deal. But Kent was at the time, his energy was the first extreme programming book, the white book. He didn't have the energy to write the refactoring book. So I thought, well, I'm going to do it then. And I started by, you know,”

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