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“closer to the way that we'd like to be able to do our…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 1:23:19

“closer to the way that we'd like to be able to do our clients will let us work the way we want to the much greater extent than we were able to do back in 2000. And so that is the success. I just wanted the world to be safe for those people that wanted to work that way to be able to work that way.”

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