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“I mean, I've heard numbers banded around of quarter…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 1:38:21

“I mean, I've heard numbers banded around of quarter million, half a million jobs lost. I mean, it's that kind of magnitude. I mean, we're seeing it. I mean, if it works, we used to be growing at 20% a year all the time until about 2021. I mean, we've heard a wall and we see our clients are just not”

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