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“Like TikTok is right there. Instagram is right there.…” — The Vergecast at 1:02:01

“Like TikTok is right there. Instagram is right there. That's just an army of people working for free. YouTube video podcasts, they look a lot like talk shows, right? They are not making money the way talk shows are made. And they're certainly not paying the union rights that TV networks have to pay for their talk…”

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