“the politics of shutting down DHS. I'm really not. I'm…” — Pod Save America at 30:01
“the politics of shutting down DHS. I'm really not. I'm more worried about like, well, it's a Pyrrhic victory if suddenly we're shutting down a department, but the one thing in the department, ICE, that we actually want to shut down, that's still going while everything else gets down. It's not even a Pyrrhic victory.…”
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