“to everyday civil liberties and Americans in general. But…” — Pod Save America at 1:13:05
“to everyday civil liberties and Americans in general. But the confusion is around the language. And I think the general rule, especially as someone who has had to engage, by the way, in immigration border policies for the last 16 years in Arizona, is if you're explaining, you're losing, right? And so let's be clear…”
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