“for them to be engaged in this. It's actually harmful…” — Pod Save America at 1:15:09
“for them to be engaged in this. It's actually harmful, right? Right now you have people trying to figure out how to balance against us versus us being able to work with them to balance power against China, against Russia. You know, we need the buying power of NATO as well as of European Union to be able to really…”
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