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“demonstrated a flawed use of their expertise. But there's…” — Pod Save America at 14:06

“demonstrated a flawed use of their expertise. But there's also, as you said at the top of the conversation, this intent to replace civil servants who have that expertise with hires who are based on loyalty and not capacity. You mentioned H5N1 as one of the possible outcomes. Can you talk a little bit more about the…”

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