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“moment was like the crazy moment for me. It was, you know…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 25:23

“moment was like the crazy moment for me. It was, you know, after our conversation, I asked her to send me the essay she had written that she talked about. And I opened the essay, and it was about critical pedagogy, this theory, you know, Paulo Freire, the Brazilian thinker, on learning methods. And I went back to her…”

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