“You know, I think success is honestly performative. It is…” — Pod Save America at 19:56
“You know, I think success is honestly performative. It is not having a moment where he freezes. He may lose his train of thought, but I think if people look at he's done that more lately, but I think if people look back at him talking 10 years ago, there's there's a he's a storyteller and he interjects stories all…”
0:00
48:03