“I worked with President Obama. You work closely with Joe…” — Pod Save America at 36:47
“I worked with President Obama. You work closely with Joe Biden. There are these two sides to Joe Biden, and one of them is this magnanimous and generous, kind and decent person. And the other is somebody, I think, who does want to prove himself. He wants to be the one to do it. You know, even in that interview with…”
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