“I think he's a brand guy, right? I mean, I think he's…” — Pod Save America at 42:17
“I think he's a brand guy, right? I mean, I think he's like, eh, this name doesn't seem popular. People don't seem to like it, right? But the truth is, and I know you guys have talked about this, but like people who worked for him and would work for him again are running it. Russ Vogt, who's on the short list of…”
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