“But I do think it has a lot to do with why we had Barack…” — Pod Save America at 59:12
“But I do think it has a lot to do with why we had Barack Obama and then Donald Trump and then Donald Trump again and this sort of crisis of like how to be a man and like Donald Trump has come up with one modality of masculinity, which is real fucking vile, if you ask me, but it's intoxicating to both men and women…”
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