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“And I've been thinking about it sometimes. Like I said…” — Acht Milliarden: Der Auslands-Podcast des SPIEGEL at 26:15

“And I've been thinking about it sometimes. Like I said, Ukraine, Russia, it's relatively clear who the Böse is and who the Gute is. Here it's all a bit more complex. But it reminds me of it very much. It reminds me of it in its systematical system. That it's so flinchy, that it's so systematical, that it's not done…”

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