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“I think by the time I was leaving, everyone was like, all…” — The Vergecast at 25:07

“I think by the time I was leaving, everyone was like, all right, they're going to get back to it. They're going to make good computers again. And then there was a moment where they made pretty good hardware again. I think Alan Dye's software design, and he's in charge of human interface, right? He's user interface.…”

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