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“was the smallest swing towards Trump of any swing states…” — Pod Save America at 37:41

“was the smallest swing towards Trump of any swing states in all but four other states. He has been organizing that state, leading that state for a long time. He's got a really strong record of winning that he can talk about. So that is that's one thing in Ben's favor. And he is he is liked by multiple factions. Yeah…”

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