“kind of ramped up in 2012, I'm sorry, in 2018 and 2019.…” — Cato Audio at 38:43
“kind of ramped up in 2012, I'm sorry, in 2018 and 2019. And I think that especially since COVID, we've had a kind of a shift in a number of different spaces, but we've also had a lot of really good data that's come out to understand this issue much, much broader. So the one that I really look for on, or at least that…”
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