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“about 20 billion in those emergency subsidies. They've…” — Cato Audio at 1:02:54

“about 20 billion in those emergency subsidies. They've produced cascading and copycat protectionism. So a tariff in one place produces a tariff in another place and produces a lot of people lobbying for tariffs and all sorts of things because suddenly they're essential to national security or some sort of economic…”

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