“And for a very long time, there was kind of an…” — Pod Save America at 58:57
“And for a very long time, there was kind of an independence party that got a very, very small amount of the vote. But the problem is that over time, both of these parties, neither one of them really delivered on any sort of status momentum. They used it as a fig leaf for a lot of self-serving, corrupt machine type of…”
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