“And I don't put this in the bucket of something that has…” — Pod Save America at 13:13
“And I don't put this in the bucket of something that has been a problem with the campaign. I don't know how much time we want to devote to this, but I think part of that has been there's been pressure from the White House to not distance more and that Biden's – there have been sensitivities around the president…”
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