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“There was a Balrog piece. I'd had some Balrogs. That's…” — Shane Plays Geek Talk at 28:50

“There was a Balrog piece. I'd had some Balrogs. That's pretty cool. So you were making games before you published your first game. Right, but I wasn't trying to sell them to anybody. I didn't think there would be any interest in my games when everything else was polished slick and plastic. Mine was all cardboard…”

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