“Well, I don't know. I think you're an interesting guy to…” — Shane Plays Geek Talk at 45:53
“Well, I don't know. I think you're an interesting guy to talk to personally. So you did Tunnels to Trolls, and then in 1976, you created a game or released a game called Starfaring. Is that correct? That's right. Okay. And it turns out, Starfaring was the first science fiction role-playing game. That's right. I had a…”
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