“Nevertheless, I mean, that isn't what the terms were of…” — Sidebar at 22:25
“Nevertheless, I mean, that isn't what the terms were of the idea that the Americans brought to the Ukrainians. And so it is it is very messy. But yes, the Ukraine peace talks that are happening don't involve Ukraine right now. Emily, if people want to reach out to you, if they've got stories, if they're people who've…”
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