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“Obama going to a megachurch in 2008 was an example of…” — Pod Save America at 33:14

“Obama going to a megachurch in 2008 was an example of this. Kamala Harris going to the border was an example of it. It will get attention. Now, is that more valuable than a day spent campaigning in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, et cetera? I think that's a fair debate to have.”

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