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“It's not always that. It's not always just employers…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 58:38

“It's not always that. It's not always just employers paying for their employees to have a spot. Sometimes it might be like sales engineers trying to talk about how their products are working with an upstream open source thing. We definitely try to have an upstream and community angle on it as much as possible. But…”

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