“But I had a harder time kind of identifying as a leader in…” — Mick Unplugged at 10:34
“But I had a harder time kind of identifying as a leader in general, right? Like when I'm not officially in that role. And I don't think it was until almost when I left the Air Force and I started to interact much more with the civilian world where people would always refer to my leadership and refer to me as a leader.”
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