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“in most cases, quite certain for the government. It was…” — Cato Audio at 53:51

“in most cases, quite certain for the government. It was not meant to be any of those things. So that, I think, is really what we, that is the catalyst for our policy of mass incarceration. We lock up more people than any other country on earth. And the thing that enables us to do that is this process of mass…”

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