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“And one of the things that I will say is that Mark and I…” — Cato Audio at 55:34

“And one of the things that I will say is that Mark and I were actually both staffers on the Senate Banking Committee, not at the same time. And we went through a lot of history, a lot of crises with that type of role. You know, I was at the FHA, you were at the FHFA. I felt like in those roles, you didn't have a…”

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