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“a business, people making their living off of it widely…” — CyberWire Daily at 13:40

“a business, people making their living off of it widely was pretty new still. And my recollection is that in the early days, it was what we would look back at now and consider to be, you know, adorable, small-time street crime versions of ransomware, right? Someone would, and they were targeting individuals. It was…”

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