“I've talked about this on the pod with Tillis because I'm…” — Pod Save America at 1:34:09
“I've talked about this on the pod with Tillis because I'm like, I appreciate that he's saying a few things here and there, but he's still like, oh, he's getting bad advice. And the president's wonderful legacy will be tarnished. I'm like, what do you got to lose? Well, so this goes to my other theory, which is Joni…”
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