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“because those are interoperable, right? They don't work…” — Software Engineering Daily at 40:45

“because those are interoperable, right? They don't work together. They don't, they're non-interoperable actually with each other. So you have to do manual correlation. And anytime I'm sorry to say this, but we get humans involved, you know, unless it's an innovative kind of thing, we're actually one of the linchpins…”

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